Marilyn Manson Interview, 1995, Alternative Nation on MTV. Kennedy from MTV interviews Marilyn Manson and Madonna Wayne Gacy.
K: Alright, come on aboard we’re expecting you. How are you, it’s Kennedy and, uh, Marilyn Manson is back – Marilyn (slight pause) Manson and Mr. Manson and Mr. Ga – is it Mr. Gacy or Ms. Gacy?
P: Either one – Pogo.
M: (Moves/mimics lips to say Pogo, shakes head in agreement.)
K: Pogo it’s fine with me. It’s short and sweet. Ah, speaking of short and sweet, teenage boys...most of your fan base is a bunch of teenage boys... You like that? How – where’s the attraction?...sexual outlet?
M: (shakes head) No comment.
K: Big [word(s) are blanked/bleeped out] – stage.
(Pogo begins to rock back and forth.)
M: D’you like that kinda thing?
K: I don’t...I don’t have any obsession with that thing, no. Now, uh, you are, uh, in your work and in the pressure(?) of being extremely anti-Christian, and you are also an ordained minister of the Church of Satan. I believe Anton LaVey, [short pause for response] ordained you?
M: Mm-hm. (confirming in agreement)
K: And uh, now does that give you license to practice marriages and uh, bar mitzvahs and things?
M: It does if I want. It’s just one of my qualifications I guess.
K: Mm-hm.
M: Both my boyscott badges and things like that.
K: Yeah, different badges and – push an old lady off a bridge...
M: Yeah, something like that.
K: (laughs)Like some religious – set a home on fire... (mumbles) Now, ah, how do you feel about other world religions, since you don’t like Christianity, how do you feel about like, Islam and Judaism and Buddhism?
M: Um, (Pogo continues to rock back and forth) there’s good things in every religion, there’s bad things in all of them. I just, ah, would like to be the person responsible for bringing the end to the age of Christianity.
K: Mm-hm. Why’s that?
M: I think for so long it’s uh...brain washed some of the people that made them so...uh...I guess made `em so angry cause people are always feeling guilty for being themselves, and Christianity makes you feel guilty for, you know, just being a person. For having —
K: Well, so does the environmental movement. It makes you feel – or P.I.D.E.R. or something like that, I mean they make you feel extremely guilty.
M: Peter?
K: P.E.T.A....
M: P.E.D.A....?
K: People from the Ethical Treatment of Animals...(both mumbles same words)... yeah...marshal mason...
M: Um,...I don’t know. You tell me.
K: I don’t know. I wish I had the answers. And that’s what we’re trying to find here.And ah, we’re gonna check out a little more Oasis,...Jewel is on the way. Yah like Jewel?
M: Mhmm...I dunno.
K: Have you seen her video, have you heard her music? ...Have you been touched by the words of the Alaskan queen?
M: Is she the girl that you said had a good bust line?
(Pogo continues to sway back and forth, looking around and smiling with Mr. Manson.)
K: No, you were – she’s the girl you were saying had a good bust line.
M: I don't remember who she is, I’ve never heard of her.
K: (laughs) You were the one who said, [doing a bad imitation of Mr. Manson] "Yeah, she’s got a nice rack on her..."
M: (throws hand up) Just blame it on me. I’m the scapegoat for everyone’s problems, aren’t I?
K: Oh, come on now, come on now,...Jerry.
P: [to Mr. Manson] Come on, tell `em you’re the devil, come on. (this is said in an extremely obscure volume and tone)
M: You know, you make me out to be the bad guy.
K: I’m not saying that you’re that bad guy, I’m just simply saying, questioning that...
M: First you said I was the one who dressed up in the costume in Iron Maiden Concerts, like Eddie,...
K: (laughs) That was not me.
M: Then you said I was the guy who’s giving Louise Largen the ænema,...
K: No-one said anything about Louise Largen or barium.
M: Then you were the one who said I got Matt Pinfield hooked on speed...
K: [cuts Mr. Manson off] (in denial) Alright, we’ll be back...
M: (throws hands in air)
K: ...with Marilyn Manson. Jewel’s on the way, stay right here...
M: I’m a nice guy...
K: [turns to Mr. Manson and says] "WHO WILL SAVE YOUR SOUL?!!"
(Pogo smiles, roll his eyes around, and continues to rock...)
(Kennedy joins Pogo in his rocking)
(Commercial break)
(Fade in from Stone Temple Pilots’ "Big Bang Baby" video)
K: Hi, how are yah? It’s Kennedy with ah – Ouch! [apparently Mr. Manson’s feet hits the side of Kennedy’s foot unintentionally while attempting to cross his legs]
M: Oh, I’m sorry.
K: No, that’s okay – with ah, Marilyn Manson, and ah,...yeah. So, ah... (begins to read some questions from some index cards in her hand) Are you a role model?
M: Sure, (with enthusiasm).
K: For who?
M: For all those kids that you see walking around in the streets, um, looking like they shouldn’t be.
(Pogo continues to rock)
K: You mean walking – the ones without legs...
M: That’s what I said.
K: Um, by the way, [to the viewers] we were just kidding about ah, any drug references, any barium, ænema references, any references to Iron Maiden,...
M: Just any references in general.
K: We’ve been...been...
M: In fact, everything I’ve said so far is a lie.
K: ...a joke. It’s all – it’s a flasehood...
(Pogo whispers or says something to Mr. Manson)
M: And everything...I’m lying right now.
(Pogo smiles, conitnues to rock, looking around)
K: [still to the viewers] You know, our foundation is, is made of marshmallow...and not concrete.
(Pogo continues to rock)
But, ah, let’s talk about the video a little bit.
M: Alright.
K: That, seriously, um, scared me really bad and I watch it late at night and I had to stay up till six in the morning bringing myself down...
M: I’m sorry.
K: ...reading Ezra Pound.
M: Sorry.
K: No, why – who was the director?
M: Dean Karr.
K: What is his background?
M: Um, you mean like, who he slept with?
K: (laughs) Yeah, what is...
M: I’m not sure about that.
K: ...classified jobs, where’d he live, how long has he been there...
M: No, he’s...he’s worked with Joel Peter Witkin, and ah, he did some photographs for Tool, some other things...
K: Yeah, m-hm. And —
M: He was a good, he was a great photographer, and ah, he had done a lot of videos, but ah, we’d like to...
K: I don’t think it matters, I think the video was really beautiful, the concept was a little eerie. Now, what was that...?
M: I think, uh, what we were trying to represent was uh,...
K: Are you representing?
M: Not necessarily.
K: M-hm.
M: Just, ah, multi-personality disorders, I think.
K: Yeah, really? Paranoid schizophrenia? Whatnot?
M: I get in trouble because, people always say, well, ah, you know, when you’re off stage, are you still Marilyn Manson, and this, but, I – there’s just – too many people, and I don’t think you have to be just one person, you know.
K: Yeah, I think one person has many modes.
M: That’s why I don’t mind if you call me Jerry, I have a dog, named Lydia, but I call her Walter.
K: (laughs) Uh-huh.
M: Because I want two dogs, but there’s too much dog...excrement to clean up. So I just condense it into one dog.
(Pogo continues his rocking)
But you just give `em two names...
K: Yeah
M: It’s not a big deal.
